Goulden Ancestry: a direct line over 15 generations?

My great-great-great- grandfather Robert Eldergill (5 generations back), is said to have married a Goulden (Robert Eldergill (1815 – 1875) and Ann/ Elizabeth Ann Goulden (1813 – 1852 ). Looking directly back as far as I could along the Goulden lineage, I found a trail of Richard Gouldens covering 15 generations. There is thus a real chance that I am directly related to a Richard Goulden from the 16th century, however the trail was difficult to follow with any certainty, and I may have taken wrong turns frequently along the way. It was often difficult to know which Richard fitted in where. The name Goulden was also recorded as Golden, Goldin, Goldings, Gaulden, and even Gouldyn over the years and one wonders if these are just spelling errors or if they indicate different families. Additionally, the early records reveal Gouldens on the west (Lancashire, Chester and Wiltshire) and east (Norfolk, Suffolk and Kent) of England suggesting that there may have been two or more original families. My route seems to travel through Kent, which is some distance from Lancashire and Chester, while Norfolk and Suffolk are closer …

*Map of England and Wales showing the distance between Kent, Suffolk and Norfolk (to the far east) and Lancashire and Cheshire bordering on Wales*

Map of England showing the locations of
Lancashire and Cheshire *enlarged*

The questions that arise are:

Am I directly descended from a Richard Goulden (and if so, then which one),
If not, am I directly descended from another Goulden, and
Are the Gouldens of Canterbury, Kent related to those of Lancashire and Cheshire?

NOTE: ** denotes a possible direct ancestor in this text

**Richard Goulden (circa 1540 – ?)

The oldest Goulden record I found was that of the marriage of Richard Gouldyn and Eydyeth Audrye in St Edmunds, Salisbury Wiltshire, England on the 20^th July 1560. I also found a record a Joan Goulden‘s christening on the 22^nd February 1566 in Stratford St Mary, Suffolk, England. Her father was Richard Goulden and her mother Grace. This means that the oldest Richard Goulden that I found was born circa 1540.

Records:
In England Marriages 1538-1973: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M15349-1 System Origin: England-VR, GS Film number: 1279311. Citation: Richard Gouldyn, Marriage: July 20 1560 – St Edmunds, Salisbury, Wiltshire, England. Wife: Eydyeth Audrye.
In England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: P00797-1 System Origin: England-ODM, GS Film number: 919633. Citation: Joan Goulden Christening: Feb 22 1566 – Stratford St Mary, Suffolk, England. Father: Richard Goulden, Mother: Grace

**Richard Goulden (circa 1586 – 21st January 1633) and his son Richard

Richard Goulden is recorded as the father of a Richard Goulden christened on the 31^st August 1606 at Saint Peter’s, Bolton, Lancashire, England. Richard “senior” would then have been born circa 1586 if we assume that he was around 20 years old when he married. Could he possibly be the son of Richard and Eydyeth? Salisbury Wiltshire and Bolton are 385km apart and Stratford St Mary and Bolton 408km which makes possible Richards mentioned above unlikely.

His origins aside, Richard “senior” produced the following 8, possibly 13 children:-

Saint Peter, Bolton, Lancashire Christenings:
**Richard Goulden christened on the 31^st August 1606
John Goulden christened on the 5^th July 1607
John Goulden christened on 2^nd October 1608
James Goulden christened on 9^th April 1610
William Goulden christened on the 8^th March 1612
John Goulden christened on the 15^th August 1613
Josoheff Goulden christened on the 26^th September 1614
Mary Goulden christened on the 5^th October 1615

Around that same time (another?) Richard Goulding was (also?) christening children in Warrington, 15 miles away:

Warrington, Lancashire Christenings:
Richard Goulden christened on the 31^st August 1606
John Goulden christened on the 8^th February 1611 -died 9^th February 1611
**Richard Goulden christened on the 8^th February 1611
Elizabeth Goulden christened on the 7^th March 1613
Catteren Goulden christened on the 14^th May 1615
Margreth Golden christened on the 2^nd January 1620

I assume that the Johns of 1607 and 1608 died young, as the name of a deceased child was often given to subsequent children, usually with a different second name. Of note, Richard of 1606 is listed as being christened in Warrington and Bolton on the same day which makes me think that this is the same child, and that the documentation was inexact, or that Bolton was considered part of “greater” Warrington. However, there are only 5 months between the christenings of Elizabeth and John in 1613, and Catteren and Mary in 1615 which may have been done out of convenience, or might suggest that we are indeed dealing with two different families.

*St. Peter’s Church, Bolton* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St_Peter’s_Church,_Bolton

*15 miles between Bolton and Warrington*

John and Richard of 1611 were christened on the same day and in the year that their mother Jane is said to have died. Was this a twin pregnancy resulting in the death of one twin and the mother? – just a thought…

I also found christening records for another four Richard Gouldens of Warrington Lancashire: The son of Thomas Goulden, christened on March 28^th 1605, the son of John Goulden, christened on the 29^th September 1616, another born on the 18th February 1633 and the son of Nicholas born February 10th January 1630. Possibly Richard “senior”, John, Nicolas and Thomas were brothers ? – just another thought …

Records – Richard Goulden “senior’s” children
In England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: P00797-1 System Origin: England-ODM, GS Film number: 0844815 IT 1-2. Citation: Richard Goulden Christening: Aug 31 1606 – Warrington Lancashire, England. Father: Richard Goulden
In England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: P00715-1 System Origin: England-ODM, GS Film number: 0844811 IT 2. Citation: Richard Goulden Christening: Aug 31 1606 – Saint Peter, Bolton, Lancashire, England. Father: Richard Goulden
In England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: P00715-1 System Origin: England-ODM, GS Film number: 0844811 IT 1-2. Citation: John Goulden Christening: July 5 1607 – Saint Peter, Bolton, Lancashire, England. Father: Richard Goulden
In England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: P00715-1 System Origin: England-ODM, GS Film number: 0844811 IT 2. Citation: James Goulden. Gender: Male, Christening: Apr 9 1610 – Saint Peter, Bolton, Lancashire, England. Father: Richard Goulden
In England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: P00797-1 System Origin: England-ODM, GS Film number: 0844815 IT 1-2. Citation: Richard Goulden Christening: Feb 8 1611 – Warrington Lancashire, England. Father: Richard Goulden
In England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: P00797-1 System Origin: England-ODM, GS Film number: 0844815 IT 1-2. Citation: Richard Goulden Son: John Goulden, Christening of son: Feb 8 1611 – Warrington Lancashire, England. Father: Richard Goulden
In England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: P00715-1 System Origin: England-ODM, GS Film number: 0844811 IT 2. Citation: William Goulden. Gender: Male, Christening: Mar 8 1612 – Saint Peter, Bolton, Lancashire, England. Father: Richard Goulden
In England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: P00797-1 System Origin: England-ODM, GS Film number: 0844811 IT 1-2. Citation: Elizabeth Goulden. Gender: Female, Christening: Mar 7 1613 – Warrington, Lancashire, England. Father: Ric. Goulden
In England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: P00715-1 System Origin: England-ODM, GS Film number: 0844811 IT 2. Citation: Richard Goulden, Son: Josoheff Goulden, Christening of son Sep 26 1614 – Saint Peter, Bolton, Lancashire, England. Father: Richard Goulden
In England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: P00797-1 System Origin: England-ODM, GS Film number: 0844815 IT 1-2. Citation: Catteren Goulden. Gender: Female, Christening: May 14 1615 – Warrington, Lancashire, England. Father: Ric. Goulden
In England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: P00715-1 System Origin: England-ODM, GS Film number: 0844811 IT 2. Citation: Mary Goulden. Gender: Female, Christening: Oct 5 1615 – Saint Peter, Bolton, Lancashire, England. Father: Richard Goulden
In England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: P00797-1 System Origin: England-ODM, GS Film number: 0844815 IT1- 2. Citation: Margreth Golden. Gender: Female, Christening: Jan 2 1620 – Warrington, England. Father: Richard Goulden.

Records – Richard not father of Richard:
In England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C01442-2. System Origin: England-ODM, GS Film number: 0844815 IT 5. Citation: Richard Goulden Christening: Mar 28 1605 – Warrington Lancashire, England. Father: Thomas Goulden.
In England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: P00797-1. System Origin: England-ODM, GS Film number: 0844815 IT 1-2. Citation: Richard Goulden, Gender: male, Christening: Sep 29 1616 – Warrington Lancashire, England. Father: John Goulden
In England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: P00797-1. System Origin: England-ODM, GS Film number: 0844815 IT 1-2. Citation: Richard Goulden Christening: Jan 10 1630 – Warrington, Lancashire, England. Father: Nicholas Goulden.
In England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: P00797-1. System Origin: England-ODM, GS Film number: 0844815 IT 1-2. Citation: Richard Goulden. Birth: Feb 18 1633 – Warrington, Lancashire, England. Father: John Goulden.

**Richard Reginald Goulden (circa 1628 – ?) and Sara Goulden born Jo(h)nson (1631 – ?)

The next generation Richard would have to have been born circa 1628. A **Richard Goulden is listed as the father of Richard Goulden born circa 1622 who was christened on the 3^rd February 1622. If this is the same Richard of 1606, then Richard was 16 years old when he fathered his son Richard. There is also a record of a Richard Goulden who was christened on the 22^nd February 1628 at Northenden, Cheshire, England. The distance between Warrington and Northenden is about 30km making making this Richard a contender, but he was the son of a James Goulden and not a Richard.

Richard Goulden son of a **James Goulden** who was christened on the February 22, 1628 at Northenden, **Cheshire.** *https://www.myheritage.com/research/record-4-1546970222-2-506416/myheritage-photos-docs*

Hypothetical line descent Richard Goulden to
Richard Goulden

Records:
In England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: P00797-1 System Origin: England-ODM, GS Film number: 0844815 IT 1-2. Citation: Richard Goulden Christening: Feb 3 1622 – Warrington Lancashire, England. Father: Richard Goulden.
In England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: P00555-1. System Origin: England-ODM, GS Film number: 0844811, 0844796. Citation: Richard Goulden Birth: Dec 25 1694 – Prestwich, Lancashire, England. Father: Richard Goulden
In England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I07511-8. System Origin: England-EASy, GS Film number: 2149665. Citation: Richard Goulden Birth: Mar 6 1657 – Colby, Norfolk, England. Parents: Richard Goulden, Anne.
In England Deaths and Burials, 1538-1991: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: B0615-6 System Origin: England-EASy, Film number: 1736522. Citation: Richard Golden Burial: May 14 1685 – Ash Parish, Kent, England.
In England Deaths and Burials, 1538-1991: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: B03770-3. System Origin: England-EASy, Film number: 1736584 Reference ID it4. Citation: Richard Golden Burial: January 17^th 1720 – Canterbury All Saints Parish, Kent, England.

A **Richard (Reginald) Goulden of Northenden married Sara Jo(h)nson on the 28th March 1654. Her parents are listed as Philip Johnson and Margaret Johnson (born Strettil), and her birth place as Mobberley Cheshire, England. This means that Richard Reginald was possibly born circa 1630. This may be the same Richard mentioned above, son of James who was christened in 1628. WOOD Web Site managed by Faye Banwell. https://www.myheritage.com/research/record-4-1546970222-2-506422/myheritage-photos-docs

Copy of marriage record. “Richard Goulden of Northenden married Sara daughter of Phillip Johnson of Bowdon parish 28 March 1654 at Northenden, Cheshire, Eng.“

Richard Reginald and Sara had a son **Richard Ross Michael Goulden (1644 – 20^th November 1737), who is recorded to have been born and to have died in Canterbury, Kent, England. Burial records can be found for a Richard Goulden who died on May 14^th 1685 in Ash Parish, Kent, England and another Richard who died on January 17^th 1720 in Canterbury All Saints Parish, Kent. If one of these was Richard Reginald, then he traveled to the west during his lifetime.

This also means that Sara was 13 years old when she had Richard Ross and that she married 10 years later, which is possible, but seems unlikely. The christening of a Richard Goulden, son of Richard, on 4^th December 1665 in Northenden, Cheshire, England is mentioned in the archives along with that of his presumed brother James on the 30^th April 1668. Considering the date of the wedding and christening date, and christening location, it seems more likely that this is the son of Richard and Sara. Maybe the birth year was 1654, and not the 1644 recorded in several Goulden websites.

Records:
Goulden Web Site managed by Dennis Goulden,
WOOD Web Site managed by Faye Banwell
Withers Web Site managed by Nick Withers.
In England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C03670-2. System Origin: England-ODM, Film number: 90133. Citation: Richard Goulden. Christening: Dec 4 1665 – Northenden, Cheshire, England. Father: Richard Goulden.
In England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C03670-2. System Origin: England-ODM, Film number: 90133. Citation: Richard Goulden. Son James Goulden, Christening of son: Apr 30 1668 – Northenden, Cheshire, England.
In England Deaths and Burials, 1538-1991: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: B0615-6 System Origin: England-EASy, Film number: 1736522. Citation: Richard Golden Burial: May 14 1685 – Ash Parish, Kent, England.
In England Deaths and Burials, 1538-1991: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: B03770-3. System Origin: England-EASy, Film number: 1736584 Reference ID it4. Citation: Richard Golden Burial: January 17^th 1720 – Canterbury All Saints Parish, Kent, England.

Line of descent:
Richard Goulden to Richard Goulden

**Richard Ross Michael Goulden (1644 – 20^th November 1737), and Elizabeth Mary (1645 – ?)

Richard Ross, son of Richard Reginald Goulden and Sara was born and died in Canterbury, Kent. He married Elizabeth Mary (1645 – ?) and they had a son **Richard Goulden (1662 – January 1719).

Above I speculated that Richard Ross’ birth year may have 1654 and not 1644. There is also Richard Goulden mentioned in the archives who was born on 6^th March 1657 in Colby, Norfolk, England, to an Anne and Richard Goulden.

Records
Goulden Web Site managed by Dennis Goulden.
WOOD Web Site managed by Faye Banwell.
Withers Web Site managed by Nick Withers.
In England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I07511-8. System Origin: England-EASy, GS Film number: 2149665. Citation: Richard Goulden Birth: Mar 6 1657 – Colby, Norfolk, England. Parents: Richard Goulden, Anne.

**Richard Goulden (1662 – 1719) and Magdaleine Coue (1658 – 1721)

Richard Goulden (3rd February 1662 – January 1719) first married Elenor Elliott (? – 1906) on the 10^th October 1681. Elanor unfortunately died in Dolina, Galicja, Austria, and Richard then married Magdaleine Coue (1658 – 1st/ 13th February 1721) on the 4^th April 1686. With Magdeleine he had 6 children. Their first born was Richard Goulden (3^rd January 1687 – January 1757). He was christened at the now demolished All Saints Church, Canterbury, Kent. According to a FamilySearch Family Tree, Richard (born 1662), was from Saint Dunstan, Stepney, London where he also got married.

The six children of Richard and Magdeleine:

Richard Goulden (3^rd January 1687 – January 1757)
Samuel Goulden (Golden) (March 1688-1744)
John Goulden (August 1689 – March 1746)
Magdaleine Goulden (February 1691 – September 1735), married Sympson
Elizabeth Mary Goulden (10^th October 1695 – 1755), married Turner
Jacob Goulden (1697 – August 1781)

Before marrying Richard Goulden, Magdaleine was married to Abraham Bluse in 1677, who died in 1682. Abraham and Magdeleine had a son Isaac Bluse (1678-?) and a daughter Magdaleine Bluse (1682-?).

**Richard Goulden (3rd January 1687 – January 1757) and Catherine Lavine Staines (? – ?)

Line of descent continues:
Richard Goulden to Richard Goulden

*Holy Cross and Westgate Canterbury Kent* *Holy Cross Church, Canterbury (machadoink.com)*

*Holy Cross, the Westgate and the mill on the river Stour Holy Cross Church, Canterbury (machadoink.com)*

Richard, son of Richard Goulden (1662 – 1719) and Magdaleine Coue (1658 – 1721), married Catherine Lavine Staines in 1708 in Canterbury, Kent, and they had 8 children.

The 8 children of Richard Goulden (1687-1757) and Catherine Lavine Staines :

**Richard Goulden (Golden/Golding) (1709 – 1786)
Jane Goulden (Golden) (1710 – ? )
Samuel Goulden (Golding) (1712 – 1751)
Catherine Goulden (Golden) (1714 – 1718)
Elizabeth Goulden (Golden) (August 1716 – 25^th July 1718)
Catherine Goulden (1718 – 1771)
Susan Goulden (Golden) (1720 – ?)
Sarah Goulden (1722 – 1730)

Records:
https://www.myheritage.com/research/collection-10838/genealogieonline-family-tree-index.
https://www.myheritage.com/research/record-10838-13306661/richard-goulden-in-genealogieonline-family-tree-index index.
Children
In England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I01111-2. System Origin: England-EASy, Film number: 1736585, Reference ID item 1.Citation: Richard Golden Christening: June 12 1709 – Holy Cross, Canterbury, Kent, England. Parents: Richard Golden, Catherine
In England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I01111-2 System Origin: England-EASy, Film number: 1736585, Reference ID item 1. Citation: Jane Golden Christening: Sept 2 1710 – Holy Cross, Canterbury, Kent, England. Parents: Rich. Golden, Catherine
In England Deaths and Burials, 1538-1991: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I01111-2. System Origin: England-EASy, Film number: 1736585, Reference ID item 1. Citation: Elizabeth Golden. Burial: July 25 1718 – Holy Cross, Canterbury, Kent, England. Father: Richard Golden
In England Deaths and Burials, 1538-1991: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I04763-0 System Origin: England-EASy, F Folder: 4021533; Film: 1751624; Image: 269,Reference ID item 1. Citation: Richard Golden. Daughter: Elizabeth Golden Burial: July 25 1718 – Westgate, Canterbury, Kent, England

*St Peter’s Church Canterbury Kent*
*St Peter the Apostle Church, Broadstairs – Clague Architects*

**Richard Goulden (Golding/ Golden) (1709 – 1786) and Mary Carter (1713 – ).

Richard Goulden, (12^th June 1709 – 30^th March 1786), the first born to Richard and Catherine above, married Mary Carter on 12^th August 1734 at Westgate Canterbury, Kent according to some sources, while others state the wedding was at St. Peter’s in Canterbury. Together they had 9 children. Their last born son, **John Goulden (6^th July 1760 – ), may be my direct relative.

The 9 children of Richard Goulden and Mary Carter:

Richard Goulden (1735 – 1736)
Sarah Goulden (1736 – 1808)
Catherine (Katren?) Goulden (Golden) (1740 – 1748)
Elizabeth Goulden (4^th April 1742 – ?), married Jarvis in 1785
Richard Goulden (Golden) (1744 – 1772)
Jane Goulden (1746 – ?)
Ann Goulden (1747 – ?)
John Goulden (Golden) (1752 – )
John Goulden (1760 – 1835)

Records:
Richard
In England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I05478-0. System Origin: England-EASy, Folder 4021533; Film number: 1751624, Reference ID item 1, Image 315. Citation: Richd. Golden Christening: Dec 12 1735 – Westgate, Canterbury, Kent, England. Parents: Richd. Golden, Mary Golden
In England Deaths and Burials, 1538-1991: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I05478-0.System Origin: England-EASy, Folder 4021533, Film number: 1751624, Reference ID item 1, Image 316. Citation: Richd. Golden. Burial: May 9 1736 – Westgate, Canterbury, Kent, England. Father: Richd. Golden
In England Deaths and Burials, 1538-1991: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: B39274-3. System Origin: England-EASy, Folder 4021533, Film number: 14736786, Reference ID item 1, Image 316. Citation: Richard Golden. Burial: Oct 25 1772 – Kent, England.
Sarah
In England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I05478-0. System Origin: England-EASy, Folder 4021533; Film number: 1751624, Reference ID item 1, Image 317. Citation: Sarah Golden Christening: Jan 23 1736 – Westgate, Canterbury, Kent, England. Parents: Richard Golden, Mary Golden
In England Deaths and Burials, 1538-1991: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I05478-0.System Origin: England-EASy, Folder: 4021533, Film number: 1736585, Reference ID item 1, p 241. Citation: Sarah Golden. Burial: Jan 18 1809 – Holy Cross, Canterbury, Kent, England.
In England Deaths and Burials, 1538-1991: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I07307-3.System Origin: England-EASy, Folder: 4021533, Film number: 1751624, Reference ID item 1, Image 678. Citation: Sarah Goulden. Burial: Dec 18 1809 – Canterbury, Kent, England.
Katren
In England Deaths and Burials, 1538-1991: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I05478-0. System Origin: England-EASy, Folder: 4021533, Film number: 1751624, Reference ID item 1, Image 351. Citation: Richard Golden Daughter: Katren Golden. Burial of daughter Nov 10 1748 – Westgate, Canterbury, Kent, England.
John
In England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: P02059-1. System Origin: England-ODM, GS Film number: 0973318, IT 2. Citation: John Golden Christening: Feb 16 1752 – Saint Peter, Canterbury, Kent, England. Parents: Richd. Golden, Mary
In England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I01111-2. System Origin: England-EASy, Film number: 1736585, Reference ID item 1, p 145. Citation: John Goulden Christening: July 6 1760 – Holy Cross, Canterbury, Kent, England. Parents: Richard Goulden, Mary
In England Deaths and Burials, 1538-1991: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I00751-7. System Origin: England-EASy, Film number: 1786080, Reference ID it 3 p 76. Citation: John Goulden. Burial: Dec 28 1835 – Canterbury, Kent, England.

**John Goulden (1760 -1835) and Mary Ann Look (1759 – 1813)

John was baptized on the 6th July 1760 and subsequently married Mary Ann Look (1759 – 1813) on the 10th June/ July 1783. Mary Ann Look was born on the 16^th October 1759 and christened on the 2^nd December 1761 in Sturry Kent and possibly buried on 19^th November 1813, also in Kent, aged then 54 years. Ten (?9) children were the product of their union. Mary Ann’s parents were John Look (1739 – ) and Mary Look (born Goodwin/ Goodwyn) (3^rd December 1738 – ), who were married in Surry, Kent on the 14^th July 1759. This suggests that Mary Goodwin was already pregnant with Mary Ann when she married.

Of note, and relevant as my great-great-great- grandfather Robert Eldergill, lived there, two Mary Ann Gouldens died in Shoreditch, London in 1840 and 1864 respectively. The former could also be “my” Mary Ann, and then she died aged 81 years.

The 10/ ?9 children of John Goulden and Mary Ann Look:

Richard Goulden (5^th December 1782 – 1861) – shoemaker
Susanna Moulding Goulden (Goulding) (1787 – ?)
Catherine Maria Goulden (22^nd July 1788 – 8^th February 1858) – married Hagell
John Goulden (1790 – 1833)
Richard Goulden (1792 – 1861)
Mary Ann Goulden (1795 -1795) – died in infancy
**William Shrobb Goulden (1796 – 1855)
Samuel Goulden (1799-1868)
Ann Caroline Goulden (1803 – 1806)
(Sarah Ann Goulden (1817 – ?) impossible if Mary died in 1813, also she was Christened in Davenham Cheshire and not Canterbury)

Records:
Geni World Family Tree
FamilySearch Family Tree
Filae Family Trees
In England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I01418-5 System Origin: England-ODM, GS Film number: 1737093; Citation: Mary Look. Gender: female, Christening: Dec 2 1761 – Sturry, Kent, England. Father: John Look, Mother: Mary Look.
In England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I01418-5 System Origin: England-EASy, GS Film number: 1737093, Reference ID: item 4 p 129. Citation: Mary Look. Gender: female, Christening: Dec 2 1761 – Sturry, Kent, England. Father: John Look, Mother: Mary Look.
In England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I00355-6 System Origin: England-EASy, GS Film number: 1836196, Reference ID: p 205. Citation: Mary Look. Gender: female, Christening: Dec 2 1761 – Dover, Kent, England. Father: John Look, Mother: Mary.
In England Deaths and Burials, 1538-1991: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I00806-3. System Origin: England-EASy, GS Film number: 1786080, Reference ID: it 4 p 3 no 17. Citation: Mary Ann Goulden. Burial: Nov 19 1813 – Canterbury, Kent, England.
In England & Wales, Death Index, 1837-2005. Name: Mary Ann Goulden, July-Aug-Sep 1840. Death Place: Shoreditch, London England. Volume: 2. Page: 281.
In England & Wales, Death Index, 1837-2005. Name: Mary Ann Goulden, July-Aug-Sep 1864. Death Place: Shoreditch, London England. Volume: 1C. Page: 132.
In England Deaths and Burials, 1538-1991: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I00751-7. System Origin: England-EASy, GS Film number: 1786080, Reference ID: it 3 p 76. Citation: John Goulden. Gender: Male, Burial: Dec 28 1835 – Canterbury, Kent, England.
Children:
Mary Ann
In England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I05478-0. System Origin: England-EASy, GS Film number: 1751624, Reference ID: Item 1. Citation: Mary Ann Goulden. Christening: Sep 6 1795 – Holy Cross Westgate, Canterbury, Kent, England. Father: John Goulden, Mother Mary.
In England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I01111-2. System Origin: England-EASy, GS Film number: 1736585, Reference ID: Item 1 p 211. Citation: Mary Ann Goulden. Christening: Sep 16 1795 – Holy Cross Westgate, Canterbury, Kent, England. Parents: John Goulden, Mary.
In England Deaths and Burials, 1538-1991: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I05478-0. System Origin: England-EASy, GS Film number: 1751624, Reference ID: Item 1. Citation: Mary Ann Goulden. Burial: Nov 3 1795 – Holy Cross Westgate, Canterbury, Kent, England. Parents: John Goulden.
John
In England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I01111-2 System Origin: England-EASy, GS Film number: 1736585, Reference ID: item 1 p 214. Citation: Willliam Shrobb Goulden. Christening: Dec 25 1796 – Holy Cross, Canterbury, Kent, England. Parents: John Goulden, Mary.
In England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I015478-0 System Origin: England-EASy, GS Film number: 1751624, Reference ID: item 1. Citation: Willliam Shrobb Goulden. Gender: male, Christening: Dec 25 1796 – Holy Cross Westagte, Canterbury, Kent, England. Residence: Canterbury, Kent, England. Father: John Goulden, Mary.
William
In England & Wales, Death Index, 1837-2005. Name: William Shrube Goulden, Death date: Apr-May-June 1855. Death Place: Holborn, London, England. Volume: 1B. Page 319.
In England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I02688-8. System Origin: England-EASy, Folder: 4019034, GS Film number: 21065148, Reference ID: item 3 p 50. Citation: William Golden. Christening: May 10 1778 – Birling, Kent, England. Father: John Golden, Mother: Mary.
Ann
In England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I01111-2. System Origin: England-EASy, GS Film number: 1736585, Reference ID: Item 1 p 230. Citation: An Caroline Goulden. Christening: June 26 1803 – Holy Cross Westgate, Canterbury, Kent, England. Parent: John Goulden, Mary.
In England Deaths and Burials, 1538-1991: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I05478-0 System Origin: England-EAS, GS Film number: 1751624, Reference ID: Item 1. Citation: Ann Caroline Goulden. Burial: June 27 1806 – Holy Cross Westgate, Canterbury, Kent, England. Parents: John Goulden, Mary Goulden.
Sarah Ann
In England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I02688-8. System Origin: England-EASy, Folder: 4019034, GS Film number: 21065148, Reference ID: item 3 p 50. Citation: Sarah Ann Goulden. Christening: Nov 30 1817 – Davenham Cheshire, England. Father: John Goulden, Mother: Mary Goulden.

**William Shrobb Goulden (Christened 1796 – 1855) and Ann Street (1793 – ?)

William Shrobb Goulden, the seventh child of John and Mary Ann Goulden, was christened on Christmas day (25th December) 1796 at the Holy Cross Church, Canterbury, Kent. I have no marriage date for William but if his first child was born in 1813/16, then it must have been around 1812/15, making him 16 or 19 years old when he married. He is said to have married Ann Street, yet records also mention children born to a William and a Mary Ann or Maria, possibly Ann was Mary Ann. William is said to have died in Apr-June 1855 in Holborn, London. However, I have found two records of William Gouldens who were buried in Canterbury, one in 1857 and the other in 1858 which might be more likely.

*Ongoing line of descent: Goulden – Eldergill – Dawes.*..

The 9 or 10? possible Children of William and Ann:

**Elizabeth Goulden (1813/ christened 1817 – ?) mother Maria – ? married Eldergill **
Mary Ann Goulden (1816 -1840) mother Mary Ann
**Ann Goulden (1817 – 1852), – mother Elizabeth? married Eldergill **
William Goulden (1819 – ?)
Jane Goulden (Circa 1821 – 1887)
John Goulden (Circa 1821 – 1873)
Henry Goulden (1828 – ?)
Mary Goulden, married Vice (1834 -1891)
Jane Goulden (1837 – ?)
John Goulden (1839 – ?)

** Ann Goulden is said to have been born on the 9th November 1817 at St. Mildred’s, Canterbury, Kent, England, to William Shrobb Goulden and Ann. However I have only found a record of an Ann Goulden christened on the 14th October 1817 in Howden York. She was the child of a William Goulden and Elizabeth making her unlikely to be William Shrobb’s Ann. There was an Ann Goulden who was born on the 11th May 1818 at Saint Leonard, Shoreditch, London, but her parents were Samuel Goulden (not William) and Ann.

** Elizabeth Goulden was born on 12^th September 1813 in Theydon Mount and christened on 28^th May 1817 at Saint Leonard, Shoreditch, London. Her parents are listed as William Goulden and Maria (?Mary Ann).

Were Ann and Elizabeth the same person and was/ were they children of William Shrobb Goulden? Either way, one of these two, probably Elizabeth, married my great-great-great grandfather Robert Eldergill (1815-1875). This is discussed further in Robert Eldergill (1815 – 1875) and Ann/ Elizabeth Ann Goulden (1813 – 1875 )

Records
In England Deaths and Burials, 1538-1991: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I00751-8 System Origin: England-EASy, GS Film number: 1786137, Reference ID: P121 – 966. Citation: William Goulden. Burial: Jan 24 1858 – Canterbury, Kent.
In England Deaths and Burials, 1538-1991: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I00751-8 System Origin: England-EASy, GS Film number: 1786137, Reference ID: P105 – 836. Citation: William Goulden. Burial: Oct 4 1857 – Canterbury, Kent.
Children
Elizabeth
In England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C04080-3. System Origin: England-ODM, GS Film number: 396233, 396234. Citation: Elizabeth Goulden. Birth: Sept 12 1813. Christening: May 28 1817 – Saint Leonard, Shoreditch, London, England. Father: William Goulden, Mother: Maria.
Mary Ann
In England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I00806-3. System Origin: England-EASy, GS Film number: 1786080, Reference ID it 4 p 18 no 144. Citation: Mary Ann Goulden. Gender: Female, Christening: Feb 18 1816 – Canterbury Kent, England. Father: William Goulden, Mother: Mary Ann.
In England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I00806-3. System Origin: England-ODM, GS Film number: 1786080. Citation: Mary Ann Goulden. Gender: Female, Christening: Feb 18 1816 – Canterbury Kent, England. Father: William Goulden, Mother: Mary Ann.
In England & Wales, Death Index, 1837-2005. Name: Mary Ann Goulden, July-Aug-Sep 1840. Death Place: Shoreditch, London England. Volume: 2. Page: 281.
Ann
Geni World Family Tree http://www.myheritage.nl/research/collection-40000/geni-world-family-tree?s=261459451&itemId=198716974&action=showRecord&indId=individual-261459451-2500127
In England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C00743-3. System Origin: England-ODM, GS Film number: 0991071, 0991072. Citation: William Goulden. Gender: Female, Christening: Oct 14 1817 – Howden, York, England. Child: Ann Goulden.
In England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C04080-3. System Origin: England-ODM, GS Film number: 396233, 396234. Citation: Ann Goulden. Gender: Female, Birth: May 11 1818. Christening: July 12 1818 – Saint Leonard, Shoreditch, London, England. Father: Samuel Goulden, Mother: Ann.
Jane
In England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I00751-9. System Origin: England-EASy, GS Film number: 1786138. Reference 151. Citation: Jane Goulden. Gender: Female, Christening: May 20 1821 – Canterbury, Kent, England. Father: William Shrub Goulden, Mother: Ann Goulden
In England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I00751-9. System Origin: England-EASy, GS Film number: 1786138. Reference 151. Citation: William Shrub Goulden. Gender: Female, Christening: May 20 1821 – Canterbury, Kent, England. Daughter: Jane Goulden.
In England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I00751-9. System Origin: England-ODM. Citation: Jane Goulden. Gender: Female, Christening: May 20 1821 – Canterbury, Kent, England. Father: William Shrub Goulden, Mother: Ann Goulden
John
In England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I00806-3. System Origin: England-EASy, GS Film number: 1786080. Reference ID it 4 p 47 no 374. Citation: John Goulden. Gender: Male, Christening: May 18 1821 – Canterbury, Kent, England. Father: William Goulden, Mother: Mary Ann
In England & Wales, Death Index, 1837-2005. Name: John Goulden, Apr May- June 1873. Death Place: Canterbury, Kent, England. Age: 52 Volume: 2a. Page: 390.

Other William Gouldens (born circa 1775 – 1785) – A walk in Canterbury City Graveyard

*Main gate of Canterbury City Cemetery. Photo, Sally-Ann Clur © 2019*

I was disappointed by the paucity of old graves I found in the German graveyards while previously on a road trip looking for ancestors (In search of Carl and Wilhelmine). I have since then really enjoyed feeling the peace and presence of the past while walking through English graveyards reading the old headstones. So when in Kent in 2019, I naturally took a trip to Canterbury City Cemetery in search of Canterbury Gouldens. Having confirmed French Huguenot origins (see The Clurs (Clours) of Welschneureut (1700-1809)) I was also interested in the French Huguenots who fled to Canterbury. Among the old graves I found several Lefevres, but no Clurs. However, I did find the graves of Emily and Frederick Herbert Orchard, William Stears (family namesakes, or possible relatives?) (see Barker Family, Mary Ann Stears (1820 – 1903) and George Adolphus Cusens (1819 – 1911) and William Barker (1875-1948) and Beatrice Emily Jane Cusens) and a Staines family who may have been descendants of Catherine Levine Stains who married Richard Goulden in 1708.

**Grave of Emily and Frederick Orchard**
“In loving memory of Emily Orchard, Born 9th April 1860, Died 12th Jan 1937, Also Frederick Herbert Orchard her beloved Husband, Born 23rd April 1859, Died 31st March 1937, Eternal rest … unto …, lord and let light … spirit …”
*Photo, Sally-Ann Clur © 2019*

**Staines family grave**
“Annie Staines who died August 27 1896 aged 17 years, Also of William Staines father of the above who died April 25th 1912 aged 76 years, Also of Phoebe Staines, widow of the above who died March 16 1913 aged 74 years. They rest from their labours. This stone was erected by her nephew and niece of Springfield Mass USA”
*Photo, Sally-Ann Clur © 2019*

I had been wondering if William Shrobb Goulden really was “my” William Goulden. There were contemporary William Gouldens also born to a John and Mary/ Mary Ann, that could also fit the bill. A William Golden christened on the 10^th May 1778 in Birling, Kent (possibly born too late) was one, and another was christened on the 3rd September 1795 in St James’, Westminster, Middlesex. He was the son of Jno Goulden and Mary Danby and is particularly interesting as an alternative considering their place of residence close to that of my great-great-great grandfather Robert Eldergill (Robert Eldergill (1815 – 1875) and Ann/ Elizabeth Ann Goulden (1813 – 1875 )).

Records:
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975: Indexing Project (Batch) Number:I02558-7 System Origin: England-EASy, GS Film number: 1850973, Reference ID: item 2. Citation: Willliam Goulden. Christening: Sep 3 1795 – St. James’, Westminster, Middlesex, England. Parents: Jno Goulden, Mary Danby
In England Deaths and Burials, 1538-1991: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I00751-8. System Origin: England-EASy, GS Film number: 849415, Reference ID: B01903-2. Citation: William Goulden. Burial: June 19 1837 – Bethnal Green, Middlesex, England.
In England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I02688-8. System Origin: England-EASy, Folder: 4019034, GS Film number: 21065148, Reference ID: item 3 p 50. Citation: William Golden. Christening: May 10 1778 – Birling, Kent, England. Father: John Golden, Mother: Mary.
In England & Wales, Death Index, 1837-2005. Name: William Goulden, Death date: Jan-Feb-Mar 1858. Death Place: Canterbury, Kent, England. Volume: 2A. Page 391.
In England Deaths and Burials, 1538-1991: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I00751-8. System Origin: England-EASy, GS Film number: 1786137, Reference ID: P121-966.Citation: William Goulden. Burial: Jan 24 1858 – Canterbury, Kent, England.
In England Deaths and Burials, 1538-1991: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I00751-8. System Origin: England-EASy, GS Film number: 1786137, Reference ID: P105-836. Citation: William Goulden. Burial: Oct 4 1857 – Canterbury, Kent, England.

There are records of 2 William Gouldens buried in Canterbury, one on Aug 16 1816 and another on Feb 4^th 1916. Both are not “my” William as the one died “too early” and the other is “too young”.

Another contender is William Goulden (21^st March 1782 – 14^th April 1851). He married Hannah Lepine (1780- 9^th May 1826) in 1812. Could this be “my” William and wife “Anna”? He was buried at the now demolished All Saints in Canterbury (Cemetery ID: 2361860) along with his wife and their baby Mary Goulden 1821-1822. The inscription on the tombstone said “Sacred to the memory of William Goulden who died April 14^th 1851 aged 69 years, Also of Hannah wife of the above who died May 9^th 1826 aged 46 years, Also of Mary infant daughter of above who died in the year 1822 aged 5 months”. William Goulden (1782-1851) – Find a Grave Memorial.

William’s parents were Samuel Goulden (1744-1817) and Eleanor Tomlin Goulden (1747 -1818.) They were buried in the Holy Cross Churchyard, Canterbury. Their headstone says “In Memory of Samuel Goulden late of this Parish who died February 8, 1817 aged 73 Years, Also of Eleanor his Wife who died September 5, 1818 aged 71 Years. They left surviving 6 Children (viz) Margaret, Thomas, Samuel, William, Francis and Henry.” (Memorial ID 7836477). William’s sister Margaret Goulden (1771-1834) was also buried in the same graveyard. The inscription on her grave is “In Memory of Margaret Goulden, Late of this Parish. She departed this life Octr 6th 1834, Aged 63 Years, Precious in the sight of the Lord is the death of his saints. Psalm 116. ver.15”

*Grave of Samuel Goulden father of William Goulden*

*Grave of Margaret Goulden sister of William Goulden*

William was a cabinetmaker. His son, Charles Goulden (11^th March 1813 – 8^th May 1865) was his apprentice and worked for his father as a carpenter and decorator until William’s retirement in 1846. Charles inherited from an ancestor in 1835, married Marry Ann Barker (1814 – 1896) (another family namesake) in 1839, and took a small stationary shop in Guildhall Street Canterbury. His wife ran the shop, which was so successful that Charles decided to concentrate on bookselling after his father retired. By 1855, Charles was a bookseller, stationer, music-seller, printer, and a small-scale publisher with a good line in children’s books. He was the first Goulden to own a newspaper. Charles went on to become Mayor of Canterbury in 1878 and a respected Alderman. Charles Goulden (1813-1865) – Find a Grave Memorial and Gouldens of Canterbury, Kent (machadoink.com)

*Grave of Charles Goulden and his wife Mary Ann Barker to the left of the main gate. Their son Henry James is buried further to the left under the tree.* *Photo, Sally-Ann Clur © 2019*

Gravestone of Charles Goulden and wife Mary Ann. “In loving memory of Charles Goulden, Alderman of this city, Born March 11th 1813, Died May 8th 1865, Also of Mary Ann wife of the above, Born August 7th 1814, Died February 10th 1896 ”
*Photo, Sally-Ann Clur © 2019*

*Grave of Little Wilfred in front of that of Charles Goulden.* *Photo, Sally-Ann Clur © 2019*

Headstone of Charles Goulden’s son “In loving memory of Henry James Goulden, Born 9th July 1850, Died 14th March 1937, also Isabel his wife, Born 8th February 1860, Died 25th February 1945, R.I.P” . *Photo, Sally-Ann Clur © 2019*

*Grave of Henry James Goulden and wife Isabel.*
*Photo, Sally-Ann Clur © 2019*

“*In loving memory of little Wilfred, Born Octr 12th(?) 1880, Fell asleep February 9th 1881*”
*Photo, Sally-Ann Clur © 2019*

Charles Goulden died aged 52 years a respected citizen of Canterbury, and was buried to the left of the main gate of the Canterbury City Cemetery so his grave can’t be missed. His wife is buried with him and their son Henry James Goulden (1850 – 1937) is buried near his father, to the left under a tree. There is also another Henry James Goulden (1851 –17^th March 1937) buried at the same cemetery (Plot E, Grave 412 Memorial ID 237728694), but this was not Charles’ son.

If I am honest, the grave of “little Wilfred”, in front of that of Charles’, who “fell asleep” when only 4 months old, was the one that really caught my attention. This was especially poignant as I was accompanied by Wilfried Visser who has endured walking through many graveyards with me even though the people I seek have no genetic ties to him.

And then of course, one must not forget young 7118 Private C. Barker (another family namesake) of the Northamptonshire regiment, who also lies in the Canterbury City Cemetery. He survived the horrors of the first world war (28 July 1914 to 11 November 1918), only to succumb on the 11th December 1918 aged 27, a strange irony. Was he possibly a victim of the Spanish ‘flu only becaming ill upon his return home?